There appears to be a WarriorSchool Manual online, but I was not able to retrieve it. Anyone know if it is the real deal? Is the cult manual interesting? Is it still available? I am not that savy with the torrent download stuff, so if anyone can give me some quick advice on the Warriorschool Manual I would appreciate it.
Here is the address of the torrent link.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2328535
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Wednesday, March 11, 2009
Jarad Myspace Prather Expose
Here is a guy named Jarad who has had a bad experience with Prather. I can't remember if I posted this before. It looks like there is some new content there. It is worth checking out.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=171890392
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=171890392
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=171890392
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=171890392
Prather Warrior School and Karl Koch
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84944
aswp writes in a forum post:
Is the Bujinkan a Religion?
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1
“Bujinkan has never been a religion and is still not “ is correct. Problem is groups that train in the Bujinkan, that use it to recruit or force people into there religions and/or other things. Like Jeffrey Prather “Warrior School” and Karl Koch “PASSAGES” program (URL http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15 ); That uses Native American religions at their dojos, but there are other dojos that are doing the same thing.
aswp writes in a forum post:
Is the Bujinkan a Religion?
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1
“Bujinkan has never been a religion and is still not “ is correct. Problem is groups that train in the Bujinkan, that use it to recruit or force people into there religions and/or other things. Like Jeffrey Prather “Warrior School” and Karl Koch “PASSAGES” program (URL http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15 ); That uses Native American religions at their dojos, but there are other dojos that are doing the same thing.
Ex Apprentice Escapes and Tells about It
Here is some new activity from the ActionSkeptics Site:
JL said...
Hello everyone,
This is all fascinating to me. I trained in Tucson with Jeff, Todd, PJ, all the bracelets. I apprenticed and went through 2 initiations (one as "initiate" and one as "apprentice"). I went all the way thru Questing before that "uneasy feeling" I'd had since joining finally brought me to my senses. After Prather claimed he was "born, died, and resurrected," I came to my senses and got the hell out of there. This is the first I've heard of all these allegations and accusations albeit I have no doubt of there validity. I saw and heard many very questionable things during my time in WS. I spent many nights at the Prather home in Sonoita "training."
I started training in WS because I thought it would be a great melting-pot of disciplines: Native American, Christian, Japanese, etc. After some time as an apprentice, I was asked to help with "ceremonies" (aka exorcisms). Whenever I asked a question or somehow tried to bring up concerns that I didn't completely buy into the whole thing, I was reprimanded. I left with only a letter to my benefactor explaining my concerns. Since then I was deployed to Iraq with the army and now live and work near Phoenix for Homeland Security.
I hate to think of the people that have been hurt and continue to be hurt. I'm glad I got out when I did...
02 February, 2009 10:10
jarad said...
JL:
Thank you for writing. It is a relief to read your post. Very few people who get that far along...well, most of them are completely brainwashed.
It's nice to see that there are people who can still keep their wits about them. Glad you got out.
I would still love to speak with you if you get the time. You can find me over at www.myspace.com/warriorschool
02 February, 2009 13:51
Mike S. said...
Warriorschool is now called Passages. Only difference is that the name has changed and Karl Koch is the leader now. (URL http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15 ). They practice all the same stuff that Warriorschool was doing; using the same Warriorschool manual. They practice the use of putting people in fear of something to control them. Then they use group to lie about and undermine people that do not believe in or practice the Passages program. People that practice Passages program, must be in the Bujinkan under a instructor that in Passages program. Jeff Skillman has been teaching and recruiting at various Bujinkan seminars for the Passages program. Jeff Skillman is one of higher ups in the organization. At dojos that run Passages, they rank people in Passages program real fast to increase there ego. Even if there very bad at doing the Bujinkan training.
13 February, 2009 21:04
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JL said...
Hello everyone,
This is all fascinating to me. I trained in Tucson with Jeff, Todd, PJ, all the bracelets. I apprenticed and went through 2 initiations (one as "initiate" and one as "apprentice"). I went all the way thru Questing before that "uneasy feeling" I'd had since joining finally brought me to my senses. After Prather claimed he was "born, died, and resurrected," I came to my senses and got the hell out of there. This is the first I've heard of all these allegations and accusations albeit I have no doubt of there validity. I saw and heard many very questionable things during my time in WS. I spent many nights at the Prather home in Sonoita "training."
I started training in WS because I thought it would be a great melting-pot of disciplines: Native American, Christian, Japanese, etc. After some time as an apprentice, I was asked to help with "ceremonies" (aka exorcisms). Whenever I asked a question or somehow tried to bring up concerns that I didn't completely buy into the whole thing, I was reprimanded. I left with only a letter to my benefactor explaining my concerns. Since then I was deployed to Iraq with the army and now live and work near Phoenix for Homeland Security.
I hate to think of the people that have been hurt and continue to be hurt. I'm glad I got out when I did...
02 February, 2009 10:10
jarad said...
JL:
Thank you for writing. It is a relief to read your post. Very few people who get that far along...well, most of them are completely brainwashed.
It's nice to see that there are people who can still keep their wits about them. Glad you got out.
I would still love to speak with you if you get the time. You can find me over at www.myspace.com/warriorschool
02 February, 2009 13:51
Mike S. said...
Warriorschool is now called Passages. Only difference is that the name has changed and Karl Koch is the leader now. (URL http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15 ). They practice all the same stuff that Warriorschool was doing; using the same Warriorschool manual. They practice the use of putting people in fear of something to control them. Then they use group to lie about and undermine people that do not believe in or practice the Passages program. People that practice Passages program, must be in the Bujinkan under a instructor that in Passages program. Jeff Skillman has been teaching and recruiting at various Bujinkan seminars for the Passages program. Jeff Skillman is one of higher ups in the organization. At dojos that run Passages, they rank people in Passages program real fast to increase there ego. Even if there very bad at doing the Bujinkan training.
13 February, 2009 21:04
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The Hidden Mountain Bujinkan Dojo
The Hidden Mountain Bujinkan Dojo
Karl Koch's Dojo
Check out this link below
http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=4
Kamereon says that this site is
Passages (Karl Koch's offshoot branch of Prather's cult (see: http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15))
Check out their schedule. They train two days a week. :) That doesn't sound very dedicated for a cult offshoot branch. How are you going to defend the world from a demonic super onslaught?
Well this hidden mountain bujinkan site doesn't seem too incriminating. It appears to be a 100% budo site and doesn't mention Warriorschool or Prather at all. I have never heard of Karl Koch so I can't really say anything about him.
I do however like the pictures of him being awesome, with his hair and mustache. There was of course the picture of Phil Legaire who was a total Warrior school cult member under Prather. I think he has since left the group on bad terms. I was never a fan of the guy myself, but he must have some wits about him if he has removed himself from Prather.
I love how these Budo sites always want to glorify their black belts and tell exactly how they accomplished their great feat. Ah, they paid money and just showed up for a lot of training sessions. You don't have to be a great athlete or genius to get your Budo black belt.
Also notice how it says on the left:
OUR MASTER (if you click on it it talks about Dr. Hatsumi)
That is always how you can sense a cult in the making if they actually refer to someone as 'My Master'. It is just asking to be brainwashed.
Can anyone else verify that this Karl Koch guy is directly linked to Prather? Got any links?
I want everyone and anyone who is associated with this stuff to be clearly linked. Information = power. I hope all the future victims of these people know how to use google and find this info before it is too late.
Ok, I just re read the Hidden Mountain site and found the incriminating info. It is totally linked to Warriorschool. Notice how they have all the same cycles and use the same terminology. Purification, empowerment etc etc.
http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15
PASSAGES
In addition to the physical and spiritual development provided by traditional martial arts training, the Hidden Mountain Bujinkan Dojo is pleased to offer the intensives based on concepts transposed from Native American traditions for introduction into adulthood. These intensives are designed to introduce participants to the concepts of native chivalry provided by Native American cultures. Students ritually experience the cycles of childhood, youth, maturity, and old age. Each session is devoted to a cycle of life:
Purification - Discovering something worthwhile beyond just the physical, i.e. the non-physical -the spiritual.
Empowerment - Accessing and strengthening the spiritual through practical, physical training.
Impeccability - Deciding right and wrong. Knowing good and bad. Balancing the spiritual and physical in selfless service.
Quest (Boys)/Changing (Girls) - Integrating all of the training via rite of passage, to a defining moment of adulthood.
All are welcome. For further information on this program, contact Karl Koch.
CONNECTION INTENSIVES
For those having completed the Passages Intensives, Connection Intensives provide further training to enhance and improve skills obtained in the Passages Intensives. This training is held simultaneously with the Passages Intensives.
APPRENTICESHIP TRAINING
For those students desiring to go beyond the adulthood training offered in the Initiation Cycles, Apprenticeship programs are offered to provide further training as warriors or healers. This program is not to be entered lightly and all prospective apprentices must complete the Passages Intensives prior to being eligible for acceptance. It is recommended that they complete Connection Intensives prior to apprenticing, as well.
SOUTHEAST SCHEDULE
The Southeast Intensives are held on private property in Durham and Creedmoor, NC. To register for or receive information on Passages Programs in the Southeast region, contact Karl Koch at 919-384-1400 or email tengu1@msn.com.
Karl Koch's Dojo
Check out this link below
http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=4
Kamereon says that this site is
Passages (Karl Koch's offshoot branch of Prather's cult (see: http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15))
Check out their schedule. They train two days a week. :) That doesn't sound very dedicated for a cult offshoot branch. How are you going to defend the world from a demonic super onslaught?
Well this hidden mountain bujinkan site doesn't seem too incriminating. It appears to be a 100% budo site and doesn't mention Warriorschool or Prather at all. I have never heard of Karl Koch so I can't really say anything about him.
I do however like the pictures of him being awesome, with his hair and mustache. There was of course the picture of Phil Legaire who was a total Warrior school cult member under Prather. I think he has since left the group on bad terms. I was never a fan of the guy myself, but he must have some wits about him if he has removed himself from Prather.
I love how these Budo sites always want to glorify their black belts and tell exactly how they accomplished their great feat. Ah, they paid money and just showed up for a lot of training sessions. You don't have to be a great athlete or genius to get your Budo black belt.
Also notice how it says on the left:
OUR MASTER (if you click on it it talks about Dr. Hatsumi)
That is always how you can sense a cult in the making if they actually refer to someone as 'My Master'. It is just asking to be brainwashed.
Can anyone else verify that this Karl Koch guy is directly linked to Prather? Got any links?
I want everyone and anyone who is associated with this stuff to be clearly linked. Information = power. I hope all the future victims of these people know how to use google and find this info before it is too late.
Ok, I just re read the Hidden Mountain site and found the incriminating info. It is totally linked to Warriorschool. Notice how they have all the same cycles and use the same terminology. Purification, empowerment etc etc.
http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15
PASSAGES
In addition to the physical and spiritual development provided by traditional martial arts training, the Hidden Mountain Bujinkan Dojo is pleased to offer the intensives based on concepts transposed from Native American traditions for introduction into adulthood. These intensives are designed to introduce participants to the concepts of native chivalry provided by Native American cultures. Students ritually experience the cycles of childhood, youth, maturity, and old age. Each session is devoted to a cycle of life:
Purification - Discovering something worthwhile beyond just the physical, i.e. the non-physical -the spiritual.
Empowerment - Accessing and strengthening the spiritual through practical, physical training.
Impeccability - Deciding right and wrong. Knowing good and bad. Balancing the spiritual and physical in selfless service.
Quest (Boys)/Changing (Girls) - Integrating all of the training via rite of passage, to a defining moment of adulthood.
All are welcome. For further information on this program, contact Karl Koch.
CONNECTION INTENSIVES
For those having completed the Passages Intensives, Connection Intensives provide further training to enhance and improve skills obtained in the Passages Intensives. This training is held simultaneously with the Passages Intensives.
APPRENTICESHIP TRAINING
For those students desiring to go beyond the adulthood training offered in the Initiation Cycles, Apprenticeship programs are offered to provide further training as warriors or healers. This program is not to be entered lightly and all prospective apprentices must complete the Passages Intensives prior to being eligible for acceptance. It is recommended that they complete Connection Intensives prior to apprenticing, as well.
SOUTHEAST SCHEDULE
The Southeast Intensives are held on private property in Durham and Creedmoor, NC. To register for or receive information on Passages Programs in the Southeast region, contact Karl Koch at 919-384-1400 or email tengu1@msn.com.
Names and Class Titles
A poster named Kamereon suggested I add some of this information to the blog.
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Blogger Kamereon said...
You should also add the tags:
Attention to the Crisis (Prather's bogus charity)
Women's Fightback (Prather's intro to drinking kool-aid)
Passages (Karl Koch's offshoot branch of Prather's cult (see: http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15))
You might also consider adding tags for his chief worshippers as well:
Amber Meesenburg
Jocelyn Meesenburg
Darrin Ashley
Christa Ashley
Amber Pinnow
Tim Pinnow
Rachel Prather (formerly Rachel Breton)
Louis Breton
Of course there are many others, but the above list are still active and have caused the most damage.
February 27, 2009 3:00 PM
I recognize 90% of the names you listed. I have never heard of Koch's website. Also make sure you check out the Official Warriorschool page. It looks like they have updated it. Looks interesting.
Take care
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Blogger Kamereon said...
You should also add the tags:
Attention to the Crisis (Prather's bogus charity)
Women's Fightback (Prather's intro to drinking kool-aid)
Passages (Karl Koch's offshoot branch of Prather's cult (see: http://www.budosites.com/hmbd/index.cfm?page=15))
You might also consider adding tags for his chief worshippers as well:
Amber Meesenburg
Jocelyn Meesenburg
Darrin Ashley
Christa Ashley
Amber Pinnow
Tim Pinnow
Rachel Prather (formerly Rachel Breton)
Louis Breton
Of course there are many others, but the above list are still active and have caused the most damage.
February 27, 2009 3:00 PM
I recognize 90% of the names you listed. I have never heard of Koch's website. Also make sure you check out the Official Warriorschool page. It looks like they have updated it. Looks interesting.
Take care
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